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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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hello and welcome to the skeptic zone

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podcast episode number 433 for the fifth

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of februari 2017 Richard Saunders here

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with you from a very steamy as in

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temperature was hot and muggy and steamy

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Sydney Australia more records tumbling

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January apparently was the hottest

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January on record last year was the

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hottest year on record and februari

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looks to be very toasty hot warm and

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muggy indeed I'm sure you're very

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interested in the weather report from

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Sydney Australia each week looking

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outside scattered clouds but more

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importantly what's coming up on the

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skeptic zone for you we're going to kick

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off with an interview with a very

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dedicated lady from Ireland who's been

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on the show before Fiona O'Leary who is

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a campaigner against the nonsense and

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buffoonery put out by the

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anti-vaccination crowd and in some

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quarters they've been likened to a cult

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and I I find myself very sympathetic to

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that point of view it is a very

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cult-like group they have going there

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and some some places and you'll discover

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why a bit later on when i chat to Fiona

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about the situation where the movie vax

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twitch we have discussed many times on

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the skeptic zone this andrew wakefield

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disgrace was due to be shown at the

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European Parliament will it find out

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with our interview with Fiona only re

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coming up at the top of the show and in

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fact towards the end of the interview we

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we break and have another interview with

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her you'll understand you'll understand

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why when you hear this interview with

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Fiona O'Leary following that its

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brouhaha from Australia science TV this

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week with Kelly Wang and Kelly is going

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look into pig human hybrids hmm sounds a

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bit weird what's the science behind that

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also news about the instead of using

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little stickers on fruit why not zap

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them with a laser to mark them very

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have an announcement from the Victorian

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of Victoria looks like they've just set

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up a new sort of a watchdog a new

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department specifically aimed at

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receiving information about dodgy health

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care providers quacks the quacks are

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quacking at the moment they're running

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for cover the quacks are ducking for

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cover you might say because it looks

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Australia that has a real teeth real

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ocean of quacks the ocean of what do you

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call a group of quacks a gaggle now

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can come up with a collective noun for a

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group of quacks anyway find out what the

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Victorian Government are doing about it

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applauding this move then to round off

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the show may nods back may not spooky

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action just a couple of nights ago we

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the pub where our guest speaker was Tim

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Ferguson from the dog Anthony all-stars

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a big comedic star here in Australia it

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of maybe at their wit's end who despite

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quacks and thank you to all those people

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who did come along to the spatial

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by registering a meetup com /a ust

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that we had so many people register that

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door but quite a few people who did

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in so a little note if you do put your

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name down for a meetup especially for

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the Australian skeptics here in Sydney

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and you can't make it on the night just

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just quickly quickly go to the website

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anymore just so we have a better idea

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and a big thank you to Tim Ferguson and

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may not for entertaining us with a

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about comedy and then touched on many

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areas of skepticism followed by may nod

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in conversation with Tim Ferguson it was

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a fantastic night and I know everybody

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who is there really enjoyed it look

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the month now I can't really go much

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the room when I don't know whether to

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laugh or cry yes yes mr. Trump sort of a

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managed to sort of insult Australia I

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it's a double-edged sword it is serious

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Australia we might say it's a comedy of

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errors let's just hope the errors don't

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we just don't know but now it's time for

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me to not worry about all that too much

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it's time for me to run downstairs

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making sure i tiptoe over Henrietta and

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more the skeptics own cats who often

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sleep in the stairs you know be very

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there's a slice of pizza left hot and

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spicy while I do that I hope you enjoy

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the skeptic zone

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and joining me now from that lovely land

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of Ireland it's an old friend of the

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as far back as July last year Fiona

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O'Leary hello Fiona I wrote sure it's

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great to chat against yes it's really

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nice to have you back on the show now

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folks fiona is a campaigner in Ireland

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rights the the very important rights

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tirelessly campaigning against now if

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autism rights but since then in the last

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six or seven months or so this vast

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is the whole election and Trump now

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being in power that has made given I

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Robert Kennedy Jr and then we have

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so it's just a nightmare for us all the

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work that we've done I feel partly has

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just quadrupled over night literally and

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and in Europe now we have this event on

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the 9th of februari at the European

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Parliament where a Wakefield has been

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screen vax at the European Parliament so

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ravasi and we have been desperately

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what this movement is really about but

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andrew wakefield attending one of the

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inauguration yes that's correct under

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name in the lights they're going to show

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was at the inaugural ball apparently but

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the support that he craves crazed and

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it's really frightening and the fact

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that Robert Kennedy Jr has also met with

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Trump recently means that you know he's

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hobnobbing with the right people so to

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speak and spreading his misinformation

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and harm which could have you know which

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is going to cause more damage to

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children sadly and exploiting the

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autistic community in the process

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greatly vexed is very much people very

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much ignore that element I feel because

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I have autistic children and they use

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autistic children to fuel their campaign

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this recently with their videos on their

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Facebook pages that they've got very

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young children maybe six or seven years

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old going on there saying I'm vaccine

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damaged you know this is what happened

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what's going on now you of course have

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not been far from quiet about this

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and recently you were on a an Irish FM

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station today of him in Ireland in fact

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from that and then we'll come back to

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find the expert for them it's very

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strange it's also actually quite

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worrying this idea of false equivalence

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so as I was putting one expert up

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against somebody like andrew wakefield

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who is so deeply discredited who has

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been struck off the medical register for

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what he did as if this is a sort of a

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50-50 debates that should go on

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platform i mean the worrying thing is

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that because of Trump you know basically

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believing in this kind of ideology as

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well I think wait foo believing is a new

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lease of life and this film like I said

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has recently been cancelled in London so

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it was was due to run on the fourteenth

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that cancelled scientists and doctors

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and people like myself have spoken out

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against the film but he has huge

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there's a lot of people believing in

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this we've got Robert Kennedy Jr in

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America meeting now Fiona I thought you

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did very well indeed on that show and I

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thought the the interview was it was

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sympathetic but of course and i'll link

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folks a link to the whole audio of

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Fiona's interview in this week's show

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notes but after that went to where

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you've been receiving just a torrent of

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abuse yeah well it's pretty normal

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behavior for anti-vaccine movement to

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attack because they don't have evidence

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to back up their claims and and so what

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they do is they're very personal but

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today has been probably one of the worst

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and it's just been non-stop on Twitter

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on Facebook and very abusive I mean I

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think they've shown you some of the

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things that have you said about me I'm

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happy to show that with anyone because

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what I want people to know especially

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the politicians that support this

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movement the kind of mindset we're

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dealing with here they're not rational

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they are very aggressive I mean I've had

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threats as well sent to me today like

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you know better watch ship stuff like

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that I've ignored this I mean wait feel

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threatened to sue me last summer nothing

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came of it I'm not going to be bullied

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I'm not going to be intimidated you know

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this movement is is basically based on a

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discredited doctor who really shouldn't

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be given any airtime whatsoever and I

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suppose that's what we really are

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concerned about with this upcoming event

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is that this will cause damage he's

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meant to be in Paris then four days

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after that on the 13th and he was due to

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have his film screened in London but

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thankfully you know we complained and

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other a scientists and skeptics

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complained and that was pulled but you

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know they're getting the support and it

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really is because of politicians and

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Trump being in power so you know it's

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scary time it is a scary time and in it

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reminds me again of something we

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probably mentioned last time is that

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okay by now this movie's starting to get

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a little bit long in the tooth you know

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it's been around for a while now and

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still have the situation when all we're

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trying to show it but it won't be shown

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you know we want to show it here oh it's

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about to be shown here like it's some

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sort of big news it's getting a bit

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tiresome and it's it's they can see the

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phone this is what I really find

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hypocritical of these people and they're

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attacking me they're saying that I'm

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censoring the film that's not true it's

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online anyone can see this film if they

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want so we what we're trying to do is

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stop the spread of this misinformation

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with people having it in you know the

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European Parliament for example that is

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the theorists concern we don't want

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wakefield having the opportunity to have

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q and A's on this issue you know this

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has been put to rest many years ago

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there's so many studies proving that

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Wakefield is is wrong on this issue and

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the third part is the people that

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support Wakefield to seem to ignore all

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of all of that evidence that they really

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are brainwashed and some of the comments

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I've even had lately I had one woman say

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to me that polio was a hoax I saw me

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this yeah and it's frightening and I

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mean adults again and I want to make

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this point that are choosing and making

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these choices with children they do not

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have a choice so it's the little babies

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that are being you know maimed and that

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are dying from these preventable

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diseases they're the ones that are

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really at risk here or people that have

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compromised immune systems and wait phul

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has no regard and it shows with the

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green party hosting this event my

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question would be is that they've got

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this great concerned in the environment

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they don't seem to have much regard for

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their safety and health of children and

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it's just hypocritical the whole thing

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but when you ask those those questions

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to Wakefield into the supporters you're

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immediately attacks as you can see today

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you know I just Sofia no i must say that

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sometimes the Green Party's do confuse

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me a little bit because the leader of

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the greens in this country is a very

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strident proponent for vaccination and

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we we think the he makes the correct

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statements and he he's very firm in his

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opinions about this but then again on

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the other side of the coin you get

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people who are in the Greens so to speak

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anywhere around the world who seemed to

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have

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very opposite opinions I guess people

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are just people and they have all sorts

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of views so I do feel like yeah it is

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its dreams and I say she spoke to the

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head of the Irish cream party today

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Eamon Ryan he's a lovely man he

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completely agrees that vaccinations are

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safe and did not cause autism we had a

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long chat on the phone but he said to me

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today that you know people like Ravasi

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or Kennedy are effectively damaging

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their party by you know siding with this

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conspiracy theorist and it's affecting

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them as a whole and so I think the Green

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Party has made statements on Twitter

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saying that they don't support this

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upcoming event but that's not enough

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just to go on Twitter and so we don't

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agree with they need to come out on a

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very strong a level and say you know

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this is crazy this shouldn't be

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happening and I suppose we're running

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out of time it's the second of

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February's morrow and we have presented

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this to the president of the european

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parliament we're hoping that he has the

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power to address this issue because if

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it does go ahead i mean that's all I

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think of actually at the end of the day

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Richard other kids nice to end up

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getting these diseases and kids that

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died and how everyone seems to forgot

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how all these diseases you know killed

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millions of people we're very privileged

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we're very lucky to even be living to

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the ages we are now however the

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anti-vaccine unity will say that this is

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all some big conspiracy eugenics program

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which is to set himself we're living

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proof that vaccines make us live won't

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work you know and um yeah you know I'm

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trying to expose what I'm trying to

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establish with people is that you know

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that they're just like the Bible I

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suppose they're so contradictory but the

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aggression today maybe he's a good sign

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and this is what people are saying to me

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that maybe you know something is

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happening that you know he won't get

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that platform but the work that we put

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into this to make this happen is

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phenomenal I mean you know there's a lot

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of work behind the scenes that people

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are doing there's wonderful scientist

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skeptics you know activists that are

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trying to protect children and that's

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what we're doing at the end of the day

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we're thinking about the children and

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the people that will end up getting

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these diseases that's what it's about

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for us well that's interesting you

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should mention all those crazy things

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because i'm not sure if you just sent

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this to me today because there's a

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string of pictures but one of the

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pictures you have sent me is a picture

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of a t-shirt and on the t-shirt and big

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as it says quote I love Jesus and the

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Baxter team you sure you sent me all

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sorts of other other photographs

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including some of the the postings of

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abuse that you've been getting from

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these people but let's get back to this

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European Parliament and the screening

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and as we've made clear this movie vax I

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mean I've seen it because it's online it

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wasn't hard to find you just googled it

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and it came up on youtube if it was

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taken down somebody will probably put it

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back up again why are they making such a

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big deal about public screenings when

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it's freely available and how on earth

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there's pieces of people get a film to

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be shown at the European Parliament like

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this well firstly I think if it gets a

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public screaming like that it has more

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weight and that they can do their QA zaf

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to it so what they plan to do is have

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the screening waetford will be there to

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go around and you know instill more fear

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into parents so for example if you're

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pregnant woman and you watch that film

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you're going to be like oh my god you

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know terrified and they'll have weight

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feel coming along and you know

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instilling it more and they have it very

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well you know sought out he has all the

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questions that are going to trigger this

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it's all a based on emotional and fear

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that's what they're going on and so

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having that in a cinema I suppose is

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more kind of professional maybe and the

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fact that the European Parliament thing

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is crazy I mean I think probably Kennedy

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has played a role in that he must have

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and we've tried to talk to this mep i've

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emailed her so many times I got a

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response from her actually from her

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secretary asking me did I work for

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Pfizer Pharmaceuticals so I'm just

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highlighting you I'm the Big Pharma

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she'll know immediately excuse me so

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they link me to another woman a

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completely different entity in Dublin

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you know and then this poor woman is

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probably getting abused as she's got the

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same name as me unfortunately so yeah my

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first response then the second response

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from the MEP office was can I find an

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expert to bring to the European

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Parliament to talk about vaccines so

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they're asking me and mother in Ireland

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to find the experiments pounded by

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experts so that kind of highlights that

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she's obviously not you know very

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professional and how she engages on the

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sea

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you I'm probably not very well educated

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on this subject which is really really

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scary and that's what we've done we've

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sent her that information to look at the

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science to look at the facts she's not

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listening and I mean this is the

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worrying thing there's a conspiracy

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rabbit hole and some of these people are

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just so far down you can't get them out

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again it's true and they will invoke all

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sorts of things and go further down

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their rabbit holes I mean that's why we

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end up with people supporting vax who

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are also chemtrail proponents and things

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like that just just the craziness has no

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limits and people often will accuse the

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skeptics of exaggerating or making a

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mockery of our enemies by using

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exaggerated grotesque caricatures what

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folks sometimes that's real sometimes

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that's what these people are actually

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saying and being accused of being a

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shirt for Big Pharma is nothing new

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nothing new at all well I mean I suppose

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you know the other thing that I'd like

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to mention about Wakefield and about his

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team is how they all support Trump and

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they've thrown all morals out the window

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if they have any you know I mean if you

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were if you are like saying yeah Trump

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is great look at what that represents

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it's not just about the vaccine issue I

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mean he hates everybody basically within

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a week he's that destroyed them so many

542
00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:35,420
communities you know LGBT you know the

543
00:21:40,180 --> 00:21:37,730
Muslim community is he's just a dictator

544
00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:40,190
so they are supporting him as well

545
00:21:43,990 --> 00:21:42,530
because I'm so focused on this one issue

546
00:21:45,700 --> 00:21:44,000
they don't care who represents and it

547
00:21:47,620 --> 00:21:45,710
could be Satan it could be out of Hitler

548
00:21:49,420 --> 00:21:47,630
as long as they get their message out

549
00:21:51,790 --> 00:21:49,430
there and it was that's all we would say

550
00:21:54,220 --> 00:21:51,800
to the European Parliament and would be

551
00:21:55,780 --> 00:21:54,230
have a Holocaust denier attend the event

552
00:21:57,340 --> 00:21:55,790
you know this is the questions that we

553
00:21:58,900 --> 00:21:57,350
were asking this man is dangerous and

554
00:22:00,520 --> 00:21:58,910
he's you know children are dying because

555
00:22:03,970 --> 00:22:00,530
of their rhetoric it's happening it's

556
00:22:05,830 --> 00:22:03,980
real and it's just not acceptable to see

557
00:22:08,740 --> 00:22:05,840
an MEP you do this I mean it's one thing

558
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:08,750
with cracks and this movement but when

559
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:10,730
we see so-called you know professionals

560
00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:12,650
giving platforms it's just not

561
00:22:15,610 --> 00:22:14,330
acceptable and I don't think it will go

562
00:22:17,860 --> 00:22:15,620
ahead i'm free time being I'm feeling

563
00:22:20,020 --> 00:22:17,870
positive about it Richard because I'm I

564
00:22:21,850 --> 00:22:20,030
just don't think it can happen I just

565
00:22:23,950 --> 00:22:21,860
don't think you go ahead now what was

566
00:22:25,780 --> 00:22:23,960
the date of that going if it's going to

567
00:22:27,310 --> 00:22:25,790
go his buttons nights or separates on

568
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:27,320
the night of separate at the european

569
00:22:31,869 --> 00:22:29,690
park well nine in the morning back up

570
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:31,879
day long run some half a 929 of the

571
00:22:36,339 --> 00:22:34,369
evening and then there's another event

572
00:22:38,169 --> 00:22:36,349
in Paris on the 13th so wakeful is

573
00:22:39,789 --> 00:22:38,179
touring Europe at the moment all right

574
00:22:42,509 --> 00:22:39,799
well listeners in Europe you do have

575
00:22:44,619 --> 00:22:42,519
time if possible to do to do your bit

576
00:22:47,199 --> 00:22:44,629
since this show goes out a few days

577
00:22:49,779 --> 00:22:47,209
before then what can people do Fiona

578
00:22:51,999 --> 00:22:49,789
what can people do to write to write to

579
00:22:54,219 --> 00:22:52,009
michelle revathi MEP she has a website

580
00:22:56,469 --> 00:22:54,229
she's on facebook she's on Twitter also

581
00:22:59,199 --> 00:22:56,479
to write to the president antonino tiani

582
00:23:01,569 --> 00:22:59,209
he's italian and he was appointed there

583
00:23:03,459 --> 00:23:01,579
in january so he's new and to write to

584
00:23:05,439 --> 00:23:03,469
the Green Party and to any politicians

585
00:23:07,869 --> 00:23:05,449
nem a piece that can make noise on this

586
00:23:09,339 --> 00:23:07,879
issue to you know come together and

587
00:23:11,739 --> 00:23:09,349
unite all this and the more people that

588
00:23:13,269 --> 00:23:11,749
complain hopefully they will listen to

589
00:23:14,769 --> 00:23:13,279
us I mean there is a way of stopping it

590
00:23:16,989 --> 00:23:14,779
I believe the president has that power

591
00:23:18,639 --> 00:23:16,999
it's just trying to keep highlighting

592
00:23:19,839 --> 00:23:18,649
how serious this issue is it's not just

593
00:23:23,019 --> 00:23:19,849
a couple of people getting together

594
00:23:25,509 --> 00:23:23,029
having a having a party with a movie

595
00:23:27,579 --> 00:23:25,519
this is a serious event that needs to be

596
00:23:30,099 --> 00:23:27,589
stopped yeah well look don't despair

597
00:23:31,899 --> 00:23:30,109
because this movie has been thwarted on

598
00:23:34,899 --> 00:23:31,909
many occasions if it wasn't for people

599
00:23:36,909 --> 00:23:34,909
like you Fiona and similar people around

600
00:23:39,519 --> 00:23:36,919
the or thank you around the world this

601
00:23:42,159 --> 00:23:39,529
movie would have been shown in many

602
00:23:44,289 --> 00:23:42,169
festivals and public appearances and

603
00:23:46,079 --> 00:23:44,299
stuff the fact is that we are more than

604
00:23:48,939 --> 00:23:46,089
just a thorn in their side we are

605
00:23:52,869 --> 00:23:48,949
whether the tack in the tire of their

606
00:23:54,430 --> 00:23:52,879
bicycle you know so we think I think

607
00:23:56,229 --> 00:23:54,440
that that's great and I and I and I

608
00:23:57,309 --> 00:23:56,239
can't thank you know like the skeptic

609
00:23:58,419 --> 00:23:57,319
community enough in the science

610
00:23:59,589 --> 00:23:58,429
community and all these people that do

611
00:24:01,299 --> 00:23:59,599
that because there's a lot of work and

612
00:24:03,129 --> 00:24:01,309
the abuse you get for that it's not it's

613
00:24:05,229 --> 00:24:03,139
not fun I all I want to say is you know

614
00:24:07,059 --> 00:24:05,239
we're not getting any enjoyment so to

615
00:24:08,949 --> 00:24:07,069
speak out of this because we're dealing

616
00:24:10,869 --> 00:24:08,959
with very unstable people that's what I

617
00:24:12,489 --> 00:24:10,879
can say about this movement you know I

618
00:24:14,559 --> 00:24:12,499
try to talk to people rationally I'm

619
00:24:16,389 --> 00:24:14,569
always respectful I never you know

620
00:24:19,269 --> 00:24:16,399
resort to that kind of behavior that

621
00:24:21,309 --> 00:24:19,279
you've seen today and but they just

622
00:24:22,539 --> 00:24:21,319
don't want that they their six you know

623
00:24:23,979 --> 00:24:22,549
one woman actually said I've got to go

624
00:24:27,309 --> 00:24:23,989
and recharge my batteries to come back

625
00:24:29,909 --> 00:24:27,319
and attack me later so yeah yeah except

626
00:24:33,879 --> 00:24:29,919
sadly you're right we are dealing with a

627
00:24:36,489 --> 00:24:33,889
group within the larger antibac scommn

628
00:24:39,669 --> 00:24:36,499
unity we might say but there's a certain

629
00:24:42,579 --> 00:24:39,679
percentage of them are very unstable and

630
00:24:44,829 --> 00:24:42,589
this is not just me trying to make

631
00:24:45,340 --> 00:24:44,839
caricatures out of our enemies it's true

632
00:24:47,110 --> 00:24:45,350
I mean I've

633
00:24:48,940 --> 00:24:47,120
seen some of the abuse you've been

634
00:24:50,380 --> 00:24:48,950
getting and I've heard what some of them

635
00:24:52,350 --> 00:24:50,390
actually due to their own kids in the

636
00:24:54,669 --> 00:24:52,360
name of alternative medicine and

637
00:24:57,490 --> 00:24:54,679
unstable saying they're unstable is

638
00:24:59,260 --> 00:24:57,500
being charitable I think one of those I

639
00:25:00,940 --> 00:24:59,270
mean but um I just think that you know

640
00:25:02,529 --> 00:25:00,950
as far as I just make an example if the

641
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:02,539
pro-life or pro-choice movement you know

642
00:25:06,070 --> 00:25:03,650
we have a big issue in Ireland hear

643
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:06,080
about abortion and sometimes you know on

644
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:07,730
both sides they're so strong in their

645
00:25:11,409 --> 00:25:09,650
belief that really you really have to

646
00:25:13,810 --> 00:25:11,419
reach out to that other percentage that

647
00:25:15,580 --> 00:25:13,820
may be on the fence and stop them from

648
00:25:16,990 --> 00:25:15,590
going down that conspiracy hole and

649
00:25:19,270 --> 00:25:17,000
that's what we're trying to do we're

650
00:25:21,789 --> 00:25:19,280
trying to educate people to not you know

651
00:25:23,500 --> 00:25:21,799
walk away from you know proper

652
00:25:25,870 --> 00:25:23,510
professional advice and doctors and

653
00:25:27,340 --> 00:25:25,880
scientists especially pregnant women you

654
00:25:29,799 --> 00:25:27,350
know what really upsets me is seeing

655
00:25:31,750 --> 00:25:29,809
Polly Tommy and andrew wakefield target

656
00:25:33,310 --> 00:25:31,760
a pregnant woman and actually say you

657
00:25:35,649 --> 00:25:33,320
know you better not vaccinate your baby

658
00:25:37,779 --> 00:25:35,659
or this is going to happen and I think

659
00:25:40,149 --> 00:25:37,789
that's really dreadful and really just

660
00:25:41,409 --> 00:25:40,159
putting a whole fear into the mother's

661
00:25:44,430 --> 00:25:41,419
mind who you know could affect her

662
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:44,440
pregnancy as well it was induced so am

663
00:25:49,270 --> 00:25:47,450
yeah it's just wrong and and I suppose

664
00:25:51,669 --> 00:25:49,280
like that's what we need to look at is

665
00:25:53,289 --> 00:25:51,679
is the consequences of their actions and

666
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:53,299
I don't think that's being dealt with in

667
00:25:56,529 --> 00:25:54,650
a serious way and I would like all

668
00:25:58,750 --> 00:25:56,539
governments to look at this movement

669
00:26:00,820 --> 00:25:58,760
especially Polly Tommy because she has a

670
00:26:02,950 --> 00:26:00,830
charity and she operates a registered

671
00:26:04,270 --> 00:26:02,960
charity and people seem to think that

672
00:26:06,250 --> 00:26:04,280
everything is above board but the

673
00:26:07,779 --> 00:26:06,260
reality is she's out there spreading

674
00:26:10,390 --> 00:26:07,789
this message saying doctors are

675
00:26:13,060 --> 00:26:10,400
dangerous vaccines cause autism that's

676
00:26:15,010 --> 00:26:13,070
not you know that's not operating in

677
00:26:17,409 --> 00:26:15,020
there in the right way for a charity so

678
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:17,419
the professionals that promote this

679
00:26:21,220 --> 00:26:19,010
other ones that really need to be looked

680
00:26:24,100 --> 00:26:21,230
at now especially MEP like Michelle

681
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:24,110
Ravasi and I'm hoping that she will see

682
00:26:27,669 --> 00:26:25,610
that soon over the next few days because

683
00:26:29,529 --> 00:26:27,679
there's a lot more going towards them

684
00:26:31,029 --> 00:26:29,539
the European Parliament over the coming

685
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:31,039
days with a lot of great people who've

686
00:26:35,169 --> 00:26:33,890
written letters and so I think that I

687
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:35,179
think I think that she will have no

688
00:26:39,659 --> 00:26:37,010
choice hopefully

689
00:26:42,399 --> 00:26:39,669
[Music]

690
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:42,409
well folks I've interrupted the

691
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:43,850
interview with fear enough a very

692
00:26:49,750 --> 00:26:45,770
important reason that was a few days ago

693
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:49,760
in fact and just before the skeptic zone

694
00:26:54,970 --> 00:26:52,730
is due to be to be produced and put out

695
00:26:57,399 --> 00:26:54,980
to the world many changes have been

696
00:26:58,870 --> 00:26:57,409
happening in relation to this story once

697
00:27:03,130 --> 00:26:58,880
again back on the line is fear and a

698
00:27:06,430 --> 00:27:03,140
hello Fiona higher it should okay this

699
00:27:08,380 --> 00:27:06,440
is a few days later what on earth has

700
00:27:10,269 --> 00:27:08,390
been happening in the last few days and

701
00:27:12,130 --> 00:27:10,279
I've called your Fiona because I can't

702
00:27:15,669 --> 00:27:12,140
keep up with it all it's just it's just

703
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:15,679
amazing yeah well it's good news I

704
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:17,450
suppose you know all the complaints that

705
00:27:22,330 --> 00:27:20,090
we made in relation to andrew wakefield

706
00:27:25,779 --> 00:27:22,340
and his film being screened the european

707
00:27:28,330 --> 00:27:25,789
parliament have paid off and any piece

708
00:27:29,919 --> 00:27:28,340
especially from the Green Party were

709
00:27:32,620 --> 00:27:29,929
outraged that this event was going ahead

710
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:32,630
so the complaints led to the film and

711
00:27:36,039 --> 00:27:34,010
the event at the European Parliament

712
00:27:37,360 --> 00:27:36,049
being completely cancelled it's not

713
00:27:41,409 --> 00:27:37,370
happening there anymore on the 9th

714
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:41,419
februari however it's got ya however

715
00:27:44,289 --> 00:27:42,770
it's going to be screened the film's

716
00:27:46,750 --> 00:27:44,299
when we screamed at a nearby theater

717
00:27:48,669 --> 00:27:46,760
called the lumen theatre so what we're

718
00:27:50,500 --> 00:27:48,679
really shocked by I suppose is the fact

719
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:50,510
that even though Michelle revathi this

720
00:27:54,250 --> 00:27:52,250
mep from the Green Party who is

721
00:27:57,970 --> 00:27:54,260
responsible for organizing this event

722
00:28:00,220 --> 00:27:57,980
and has had so many warnings from her

723
00:28:02,049 --> 00:28:00,230
colleagues and from scientists and

724
00:28:04,539 --> 00:28:02,059
doctors and you know the whole community

725
00:28:06,220 --> 00:28:04,549
she still is promoting andrew wakefield

726
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:06,230
even though it was poor from the

727
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:08,210
European Parliament she's hell-bent on

728
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:11,330
having it screened basically so you know

729
00:28:15,519 --> 00:28:13,010
it's great news in one way that it won't

730
00:28:17,110 --> 00:28:15,529
be in this particular building but it's

731
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:17,120
still bad that it's going ahead at this

732
00:28:22,990 --> 00:28:19,610
theatre so now we have another task of

733
00:28:25,180 --> 00:28:23,000
trying to reach out to the theater to

734
00:28:27,519 --> 00:28:25,190
you know hopefully look at this in a

735
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:27,529
serious way as well but it's it's not

736
00:28:30,190 --> 00:28:28,970
very easy to contact them that's what I

737
00:28:32,620 --> 00:28:30,200
can say and they don't seem to even

738
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:32,630
answer the phone so am we're working on

739
00:28:36,399 --> 00:28:34,730
that now but I mean the reality is that

740
00:28:38,409 --> 00:28:36,409
we thought that Michelle revathi would

741
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:38,419
actually come to her senses because I

742
00:28:42,730 --> 00:28:40,970
have spoken to the leader of the Green

743
00:28:44,980 --> 00:28:42,740
Party here in Ireland Eamon Ryan he's a

744
00:28:48,070 --> 00:28:44,990
lovely man and you know it's actually

745
00:28:49,659 --> 00:28:48,080
really affecting their image and the

746
00:28:50,290 --> 00:28:49,669
whole party in general so they're not

747
00:28:52,870 --> 00:28:50,300
happy with her

748
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:52,880
behavior but she doesn't care she's

749
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:54,650
really brainwashed and I her update

750
00:28:59,500 --> 00:28:57,650
today in her statement clearly confirms

751
00:29:01,720 --> 00:28:59,510
that she really believes in this which

752
00:29:03,190 --> 00:29:01,730
is very sad yes I've been reviewing some

753
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:03,200
of the links you've been sending me just

754
00:29:07,270 --> 00:29:04,850
in the last couple of days as this story

755
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:07,280
has been unfolding so the good news is

756
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:10,010
pressure was put on the Emmy piece now

757
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:11,690
that's member of the European Parliament

758
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:13,610
that's what it stands for is yes that's

759
00:29:18,220 --> 00:29:16,130
correct yet yeah that's correct and you

760
00:29:20,380 --> 00:29:18,230
know but the pressure the pressure to

761
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:20,390
say was it was a lot of work you know I

762
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:23,290
I mean myself others those doctors and

763
00:29:27,820 --> 00:29:26,210
David Robert grams wrote to the European

764
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:27,830
Parliament the president in the work

765
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:29,570
that we have to go to to actually you

766
00:29:32,860 --> 00:29:31,130
know say that this is wrong it shouldn't

767
00:29:34,510 --> 00:29:32,870
be that way it should be the case that I

768
00:29:36,730 --> 00:29:34,520
think that members of the Green Party

769
00:29:38,890 --> 00:29:36,740
and other colleagues should just see

770
00:29:40,810 --> 00:29:38,900
this and say hey this is wrong why do we

771
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:40,820
have to alert them why do we have to you

772
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:42,290
know quote them to act on this issue

773
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:44,450
they shouldn't be ignoring what's going

774
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:46,610
on in their doorsteps of dis feet so am

775
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:48,770
I think that's very disappointing that

776
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:50,930
they're kind of just turning the blind

777
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:53,450
eye to this activity within their party

778
00:29:57,250 --> 00:29:55,370
and they should be speaking out more and

779
00:29:58,510 --> 00:29:57,260
the Green Party you know made comments

780
00:30:00,010 --> 00:29:58,520
on Twitter but they didn't come out and

781
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:00,020
make a real strong statement to the

782
00:30:05,170 --> 00:30:01,490
press which we were hoping they would do

783
00:30:07,030 --> 00:30:05,180
yes it's certainly been a busy 36 hours

784
00:30:08,770 --> 00:30:07,040
for everybody involved but yes we must

785
00:30:10,780 --> 00:30:08,780
focus on the good news and the good news

786
00:30:12,700 --> 00:30:10,790
is that this Richard movie won't be

787
00:30:14,530 --> 00:30:12,710
shown at the European Parliament which

788
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:14,540
is actually pretty important I think

789
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:16,250
that's a very important and a very

790
00:30:19,900 --> 00:30:18,890
worthwhile victory the bad news is it

791
00:30:22,150 --> 00:30:19,910
looks like it's going to be shown

792
00:30:24,850 --> 00:30:22,160
elsewhere I guess it's like the old

793
00:30:27,220 --> 00:30:24,860
whack-a-mole game where you whack one

794
00:30:29,230 --> 00:30:27,230
mole and another one comes up but thank

795
00:30:31,020 --> 00:30:29,240
you for the update Fiona that that is

796
00:30:33,820 --> 00:30:31,030
ultimately I think it's good news and we

797
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:33,830
will catch up it is good news will catch

798
00:30:39,690 --> 00:30:37,250
up with you soon to see how this story

799
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:39,700
is progressing over the coming weeks

800
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:42,290
Speights okay thanks so much Richard

801
00:30:49,999 --> 00:30:44,250
thanks for having me

802
00:30:53,430 --> 00:30:50,009
[Music]

803
00:30:56,909 --> 00:30:53,440
to illustrate Fiona's point about

804
00:30:59,730 --> 00:30:56,919
receiving abusive messages Fiona sent me

805
00:31:02,879 --> 00:30:59,740
the following exchange she had with

806
00:31:06,389 --> 00:31:02,889
somebody calling themselves Joseph

807
00:31:09,619 --> 00:31:06,399
flammer after a message directed at

808
00:31:13,019 --> 00:31:09,629
Fiona from Joseph Fiona said who are you

809
00:31:17,580 --> 00:31:13,029
the reply I'm a supporter of the vax

810
00:31:21,810 --> 00:31:17,590
team fiona says you think you threaten

811
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me the reply you are just giving support

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to people like Merck the pharmaceuticals

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the CDC and other agencies by silencing

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and shaming millions of parents who have

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children who are vaccine injured now

816
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this to me sounds like whoever this

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Joseph flammer is is reading from the

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list of cliches the anti-vaxxers used

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Big Pharma she'll CDC millions of people

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presumably vaccine injured and that's

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just of course a tiny example of what

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she's been copping and then she received

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the following presumably from the same

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person calling themselves Joseph flat

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repair the vaccines are shorter oh

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you're back here several oh well I think

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that gives renting a new benchmark to

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aim for but it does remind us yet again

829
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a lot of the people who are and yes I

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think we can use the term brainwashed by

831
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the the anti-vaccination cult and some

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people are calling it a very emotional

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very worked up and probably think

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they're do

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doing exactly the right thing in fact I

836
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think it was from a former FBI agent

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there's something doing the rounds

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saying that she learned that a lot of

839
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the people who we considered to be on

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the wrong side of course from their

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point of view they're on the right side

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and they're doing good but sending

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abusive messages and ranting on facebook

844
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and yelling into the microphone I don't

845
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think that does anybody any good but

846
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this is the sort of thing Fiona O'Leary

847
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has been copying in the last little

848
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while and of course this is nothing new

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to the people like the stop the avian or

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[Music]

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hey svenska skeptical the vet valid

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veteran scope for bidding in the boy

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talk none hanger of the skeptic zone

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that an ox 0 alpha Arthur dog poop

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science quiz of skeptical Kevin Thomas

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Valley Queen Povey very pumped for Punta

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safe at spawning of a luger luke iranian

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tamilanda topic on warm the door

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installed identity is non-local training

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but from the start time 12 your pot on a

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day is new hello all skeptics in sweden

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i'm sure you already know that the

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swedish skeptics association not only is

864
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a big fan of the skeptic zone but that

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we also organize lectures pop science

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quiz and skeptics in the pub all over

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the country go to WWD ofse to see what

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are seven local chapters are up to and

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if you live in a place where there is no

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local chapter why not start one yourself

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I'm talking to you neyo and now direct

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from the cafe at Australia's science

873
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channel its brouhaha with kelly warm

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pig human hybrid controversial science

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needs old latest and we this superhero

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well maybe it's a bit of birth one day

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these little guys could save your life

878
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US scientists have introduced human

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cells into a pig embryo which within

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granted adil pigs for nearly a month so

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not quite a big human this heaps of

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controls and regulations to stop that

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from happening so if we're not getting a

884
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pig human what are we getting if you

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need an organ transplant it's really

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tricky to find the donor and Transplant

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the old and safely but growing organs

888
00:35:59,450 --> 00:35:56,910
specific to you could solve both of

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those problems and this is where pigs

890
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are great they already grow organs which

891
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are pretty similar to ours and pigs and

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humans are different enough that there

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is very low risk of a human organ being

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infected by some weird peg virus so

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these scientists are putting some human

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cells into the pig embryo and eventually

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they could grow a fully human organ

898
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ready for transplant but if you're still

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unsure if this is still all sounding a

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00:36:32,180 --> 00:36:25,710
bit weird there's years of work to be

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00:36:33,530 --> 00:36:32,190
done on it yet we've got a new ally in

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00:36:37,069 --> 00:36:33,540
the fight against the evils of

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unnecessary plastic lasers no more

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appealing there's annoying little

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stickers of your fruits and veggies

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producers in Sweden our branding sweet

907
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potatoes and avocados with lasers and

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over in the UK marks and spencer are

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laser and coconuts with plants and move

910
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on to melons the next step would be to

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use laser markings on edible skins like

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apples don't worry this doesn't impact

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the quality of the fruit the process

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uses a strong light to remove pigment on

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the surface in a country that loves our

916
00:37:09,530 --> 00:37:07,440
a bow on toast imagine how much plastic

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00:37:11,220 --> 00:37:09,540
would be saved by replacing our stickers

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with built-in markings

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we are so sick of unnecessary plastic in

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our supermarkets come on individual

921
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fruit and veg doesn't need a sticker on

922
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it and even worse we see you in overseas

923
00:37:28,109 --> 00:37:24,850
supermarkets healed and packaged

924
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avocados bananas and oranges if we're

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picking a trend to reach our wide Brown

926
00:37:38,910 --> 00:37:33,550
land it's definitely lasers now that's

927
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:38,920
what I'd love to sink my teeth into for

928
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more brouhaha and Australian science

929
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head for ww Australia science TV now

930
00:38:05,910 --> 00:38:02,350
here's news of a meet up in Victoria the

931
00:38:07,890 --> 00:38:05,920
more d alec skeptics in the pub known as

932
00:38:09,900 --> 00:38:07,900
more tea skeptics in the pub have a

933
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:09,910
meeting on tuesday the seventh of

934
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februari starting at seven thirty p.m.

935
00:38:18,060 --> 00:38:15,970
UFO belief and religion by the one and

936
00:38:21,240 --> 00:38:18,070
only dr steve roberts an old friend of

937
00:38:24,270 --> 00:38:21,250
the skeptic zone dr steve roberts a UFO

938
00:38:26,490 --> 00:38:24,280
expert but how can anybody be an expert

939
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:26,500
in something that is unknown hmmm will

940
00:38:31,890 --> 00:38:29,170
attempt to describe a UFO believers

941
00:38:34,950 --> 00:38:31,900
mindset drawing parallels with how

942
00:38:36,510 --> 00:38:34,960
religions develop steve's cheerful talk

943
00:38:39,690 --> 00:38:36,520
i'm reading this off the website folks

944
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:39,700
just his cheerful talk will feature

945
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:43,930
numerous jokes i hope so what's a UFO

946
00:38:49,349 --> 00:38:47,170
joke and relevant quotations from monty

947
00:38:52,109 --> 00:38:49,359
python's life of brian this does sound

948
00:38:54,420 --> 00:38:52,119
like a good dog all are welcome except

949
00:38:56,970 --> 00:38:54,430
the popular front of Judea yes very much

950
00:38:59,730 --> 00:38:56,980
Steve Roberts is a long-standing member

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00:39:02,550 --> 00:38:59,740
of Australian skeptics and he is the

952
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:02,560
author of dr. Bob's trivia quiz the

953
00:39:07,020 --> 00:39:04,210
answers to which you will not find in

954
00:39:09,240 --> 00:39:07,030
any encyclopedia steve has a PhD in

955
00:39:12,930 --> 00:39:09,250
chemistry but now works as a consultant

956
00:39:15,660 --> 00:39:12,940
and cryptologist for major banks he even

957
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:15,670
worked as an intelligence analyst during

958
00:39:23,170 --> 00:39:20,090
the Cold War Steve don't retire just yet

959
00:39:25,030 --> 00:39:23,180
anyway UFOs belief in religion by dr.

960
00:39:27,250 --> 00:39:25,040
Steve Roberts it sounds like a really

961
00:39:30,190 --> 00:39:27,260
great talk for more information just

962
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:30,200
google maudie Alec skeptics in the pub

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00:39:35,530 --> 00:39:33,290
or mor di Morty skeptics in the pub will

964
00:39:38,650 --> 00:39:35,540
simply click the link in this week's

965
00:39:41,830 --> 00:39:38,660
show notes so that's Tuesday the seventh

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of februari at seven thirty PM Modi Alec

967
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sporting club in Victoria from the

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website of the state government of the

969
00:40:12,100 --> 00:40:08,630
state of Victoria at ww premier GV keg

970
00:40:15,790 --> 00:40:12,110
of today you knew complaints watchdog on

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00:40:18,910 --> 00:40:15,800
the job to protect patients Minister for

972
00:40:21,460 --> 00:40:18,920
health the first februari 2017 media

973
00:40:23,860 --> 00:40:21,470
release a new watchdog with greater

974
00:40:26,230 --> 00:40:23,870
powers to protect patients and crack

975
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:26,240
down on dodgy unregistered health

976
00:40:32,050 --> 00:40:29,210
service providers and practitioners has

977
00:40:34,090 --> 00:40:32,060
started work minister for health jill

978
00:40:36,970 --> 00:40:34,100
hennessy announced the appointment of

979
00:40:39,610 --> 00:40:36,980
Karen Cusack as the inaugural health

980
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:39,620
complaints Commissioner with the health

981
00:40:45,010 --> 00:40:42,530
complaints Act 2016 coming into effect

982
00:40:47,050 --> 00:40:45,020
today the office of the health

983
00:40:50,020 --> 00:40:47,060
complaints commissioner replaces the

984
00:40:52,060 --> 00:40:50,030
former office of the Health Services

985
00:40:54,550 --> 00:40:52,070
Commissioner creating a new complaint

986
00:40:57,190 --> 00:40:54,560
system with tougher powers to warn and

987
00:40:59,740 --> 00:40:57,200
protect the public from harm the new

988
00:41:03,730 --> 00:40:59,750
health complaints body has beefed up its

989
00:41:06,670 --> 00:41:03,740
powers to name and shame dangerous and

990
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:06,680
unethical health providers for the first

991
00:41:11,410 --> 00:41:09,050
time anyone will be able to make a

992
00:41:13,660 --> 00:41:11,420
complaint to the new commissioner rather

993
00:41:16,090 --> 00:41:13,670
than just a person who has received the

994
00:41:17,950 --> 00:41:16,100
health service the Commissioner will

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00:41:21,220 --> 00:41:17,960
also be able to initiate an

996
00:41:24,250 --> 00:41:21,230
investigation even when no complaint is

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00:41:26,650 --> 00:41:24,260
lodged when a new statutory code of

998
00:41:28,810 --> 00:41:26,660
conduct is breached the Commissioner has

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00:41:31,210 --> 00:41:28,820
expanded powers to issue an order

1000
00:41:33,509 --> 00:41:31,220
prohibiting the health provider from

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00:41:36,559 --> 00:41:33,519
practicing individuals who

1002
00:41:39,539 --> 00:41:36,569
each an order face up to two years jail

1003
00:41:41,729 --> 00:41:39,549
dodgy health practitioners banned in

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00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:41,739
other states will now also be

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00:41:47,219 --> 00:41:44,890
automatically banned in Victoria this

1006
00:41:50,039 --> 00:41:47,229
will stop them from moving to Victoria

1007
00:41:52,919 --> 00:41:50,049
to offer their disreputable services to

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00:41:55,349 --> 00:41:52,929
vulnerable Victorians for the past seven

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00:41:57,870 --> 00:41:55,359
years and as cusack has been the

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00:41:59,669 --> 00:41:57,880
corporate counsel at the Royal women's

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00:42:02,370 --> 00:41:59,679
hospital and the member of the

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00:42:05,549 --> 00:42:02,380
hospital's executive team she brings

1013
00:42:07,679 --> 00:42:05,559
considerable legal expertise having been

1014
00:42:10,319 --> 00:42:07,689
a lawyer for more than 20 years an

1015
00:42:14,219 --> 00:42:10,329
extensive knowledge of the health sector

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00:42:16,499 --> 00:42:14,229
to the role the new body will also work

1017
00:42:19,649 --> 00:42:16,509
closely with the Andrews Labor

1018
00:42:22,409 --> 00:42:19,659
Government's safer care Victoria and the

1019
00:42:24,630 --> 00:42:22,419
new Health Information Agency to improve

1020
00:42:27,389 --> 00:42:24,640
quality and safety and drive down

1021
00:42:29,579 --> 00:42:27,399
avoidable harm at victorian hospitals

1022
00:42:31,349 --> 00:42:29,589
miss hennesey thanked the outgoing

1023
00:42:34,079 --> 00:42:31,359
Health Services Commissioner at Grand

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00:42:37,139 --> 00:42:34,089
Davies for his contribution and for

1025
00:42:40,799 --> 00:42:37,149
working tirelessly to prepare for the

1026
00:42:43,409 --> 00:42:40,809
implementation of the new Act mr Davies

1027
00:42:46,079 --> 00:42:43,419
will take on a new role within safer

1028
00:42:48,689 --> 00:42:46,089
care Victoria where he will help lead

1029
00:42:51,629 --> 00:42:48,699
the implementation of the government's

1030
00:42:54,299 --> 00:42:51,639
quality and safety reforms and continue

1031
00:42:57,209 --> 00:42:54,309
his work to create a better safer health

1032
00:43:00,659 --> 00:42:57,219
system and this press release also comes

1033
00:43:03,779 --> 00:43:00,669
complete with quotes we can attribute to

1034
00:43:06,479 --> 00:43:03,789
the Health Minister jill hennessy quote

1035
00:43:09,149 --> 00:43:06,489
we're putting the safety of all patients

1036
00:43:11,399 --> 00:43:09,159
first our new health complaints watchdog

1037
00:43:14,129 --> 00:43:11,409
will put dodgy unregistered health

1038
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:14,139
providers out of business for good end

1039
00:43:20,159 --> 00:43:18,130
quote and quote the watchdog will play a

1040
00:43:22,769 --> 00:43:20,169
pivotal role in protecting the public

1041
00:43:25,049 --> 00:43:22,779
from unethical health providers who try

1042
00:43:27,929 --> 00:43:25,059
to take advantage of the vulnerable and

1043
00:43:33,029 --> 00:43:27,939
sick by making false outrageous claims

1044
00:43:35,609 --> 00:43:33,039
and quote and quote Karen Cusack has a

1045
00:43:37,889 --> 00:43:35,619
proven track record as a highly

1046
00:43:40,349 --> 00:43:37,899
respected senior lawyer in the health

1047
00:43:42,929 --> 00:43:40,359
sector and will continue the important

1048
00:43:45,860 --> 00:43:42,939
work undertaken by grand Davies during

1049
00:44:01,740 --> 00:43:45,870
his time as Health Services Commissioner

1050
00:44:04,780 --> 00:44:01,750
[Music]

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it crash go garwood video a skeptic wish

1052
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to shock a desolate it's a skeptic we

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service attack elbow Python hashanah

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Garnica meet the skeptics on podcast

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target or vision heritage from Tosh

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metropolis add to the manual control to

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travel ago she touched a critical

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gondola station an observer [\h__\h] a [\h__\h]

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I said at least 20 and then he can shake

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member travelin coca-cola taught or

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David upon skeptical start to check one

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two we're just info at skeptic push bond

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Hootie man / Allen film at the Facebook

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laudanum cottage amita facebook.com /

1065
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skeptical star Shakti Mentalist volim

1066
00:44:42,010 --> 00:44:39,650
interval inserted at dharamdas Vania hi

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00:44:44,170 --> 00:44:42,020
this is garba raas co-president of the

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Hungarian skeptics society and chairman

1069
00:44:48,790 --> 00:44:45,890
of the European Council of skeptical

1070
00:44:51,130 --> 00:44:48,800
organizations a solicitor of the skeptic

1071
00:44:53,110 --> 00:44:51,140
zone you probably agree that educating

1072
00:44:56,140 --> 00:44:53,120
others about to the science and critical

1073
00:44:57,730 --> 00:44:56,150
thinking is an important task if you are

1074
00:44:59,560 --> 00:44:57,740
eager to take part in either of these

1075
00:45:03,300 --> 00:44:59,570
activities we would be happy to hear

1076
00:45:09,010 --> 00:45:03,310
from you don't hesitate to contact us at

1077
00:45:10,900 --> 00:45:09,020
www.adr.org at skeptical hu we also

1078
00:45:13,720 --> 00:45:10,910
recommend you visiting our Facebook page

1079
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1080
00:45:24,609 --> 00:45:15,560
and join us at one of our events

1081
00:45:33,230 --> 00:45:29,299
here's my not spooky action at a

1082
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:35,520
welcome listener we here at the

1083
00:45:40,589 --> 00:45:37,690
Occidental hotel which is in York Street

1084
00:45:42,030 --> 00:45:40,599
just opposite winded station in Sydney

1085
00:45:44,730 --> 00:45:42,040
and tonight's a very special night

1086
00:45:47,370 --> 00:45:44,740
because it's not every night that a

1087
00:45:49,319 --> 00:45:47,380
bunch of smarty bums from the Australian

1088
00:45:51,210 --> 00:45:49,329
skeptics turn up at skeptics in the pub

1089
00:45:53,190 --> 00:45:51,220
it's the first thursday of every month

1090
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:53,200
they grow their here and tonight they're

1091
00:45:57,690 --> 00:45:55,210
going to be listening to a talk from the

1092
00:46:00,420 --> 00:45:57,700
well-known professor tim ferguson

1093
00:46:02,490 --> 00:46:00,430
because he he professes to be many

1094
00:46:03,930 --> 00:46:02,500
things a Tim I know you're a bit you

1095
00:46:05,339 --> 00:46:03,940
know you're a bit tense before the big

1096
00:46:08,010 --> 00:46:05,349
show tonight here there could be upwards

1097
00:46:10,109 --> 00:46:08,020
of 200 people here hanging on every word

1098
00:46:13,250 --> 00:46:10,119
of you and you go talk about skepticism

1099
00:46:16,940 --> 00:46:13,260
science the pursuit of reason yes i am

1100
00:46:20,370 --> 00:46:16,950
and i will express all my knowledge but

1101
00:46:23,819 --> 00:46:20,380
to the bouncers have to hang so close do

1102
00:46:26,250 --> 00:46:23,829
you mind could you just do you mind do

1103
00:46:27,900 --> 00:46:26,260
you mind yeah yeah put your hands back

1104
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:27,910
in your pockets thank you I've got

1105
00:46:30,809 --> 00:46:29,290
Richard Saunders from the Australian

1106
00:46:33,599 --> 00:46:30,819
skeptics close by as well Richard you

1107
00:46:35,849 --> 00:46:33,609
it's a packed house nice it is done one

1108
00:46:37,740 --> 00:46:35,859
of the bouncers you are yes i watch out

1109
00:46:39,299 --> 00:46:37,750
for that so uh so Tim's just going to

1110
00:46:40,829 --> 00:46:39,309
bit of a chat and then we go a little

1111
00:46:43,109 --> 00:46:40,839
bit of a break in which team will go to

1112
00:46:44,579 --> 00:46:43,119
the bar if he comes back we'll go into

1113
00:46:46,589 --> 00:46:44,589
the second half of the show which will

1114
00:46:48,180 --> 00:46:46,599
be me interviewing tomb and taking

1115
00:46:50,039 --> 00:46:48,190
questions in the audience are you

1116
00:46:52,710 --> 00:46:50,049
fearful of questions of millions I'm

1117
00:46:55,020 --> 00:46:52,720
very fearful just because I can't help

1118
00:46:56,819 --> 00:46:55,030
but answer them yeah and people don't

1119
00:46:59,490 --> 00:46:56,829
like answers particularly when they come

1120
00:47:02,069 --> 00:46:59,500
from a place of little knowledge but

1121
00:47:03,630 --> 00:47:02,079
absolute certainty one of the things you

1122
00:47:04,859 --> 00:47:03,640
will be touching on tonight is the fact

1123
00:47:06,809 --> 00:47:04,869
that there's a couple of different

1124
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:06,819
varieties of skeptics there's the ones

1125
00:47:10,170 --> 00:47:08,770
that not as skeptical as the ones that

1126
00:47:12,030 --> 00:47:10,180
are in this room for example would you

1127
00:47:13,380 --> 00:47:12,040
clarify that little bit for us yeah

1128
00:47:15,359 --> 00:47:13,390
there are good skeptics and there are

1129
00:47:17,819 --> 00:47:15,369
bad skeptics there are skeptics that are

1130
00:47:20,039 --> 00:47:17,829
endangering everybody's life and the

1131
00:47:21,930 --> 00:47:20,049
life of your children don't go saying

1132
00:47:25,289 --> 00:47:21,940
you don't have children don't get smug

1133
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:25,299
you know what I'm talking about and I

1134
00:47:28,650 --> 00:47:26,770
will be talking about the difference

1135
00:47:30,450 --> 00:47:28,660
between those two thank you may not for

1136
00:47:32,700 --> 00:47:30,460
reminding me okay i just put up there

1137
00:47:35,039 --> 00:47:32,710
look a yes i'll be nudging Tim and and

1138
00:47:36,809 --> 00:47:35,049
look and how long's Tim got to talk on

1139
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:36,819
his own before he goes to the bar as

1140
00:47:41,700 --> 00:47:39,130
long as he likes may not as long as he

1141
00:47:44,069 --> 00:47:41,710
likes it's entirely up to Tim but yes

1142
00:47:45,660 --> 00:47:44,079
it's in two sections a talk by Tim

1143
00:47:47,249 --> 00:47:45,670
I intermission where everybody can go to

1144
00:47:51,359 --> 00:47:47,259
the toilet or the bar whatever they

1145
00:47:53,279 --> 00:47:51,369
choose or both and then part part two is

1146
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:53,289
you interviewing Tim so it should be

1147
00:48:01,949 --> 00:47:55,690
great I just realized that's why the bar

1148
00:48:03,690 --> 00:48:01,959
is covered in sponges that's great you

1149
00:48:06,479 --> 00:48:03,700
know you've just bought yourself a Tim

1150
00:48:09,479 --> 00:48:06,489
Ferguson artwork there ah this is for my

1151
00:48:11,999 --> 00:48:09,489
son who said cannot miss this tonight

1152
00:48:16,140 --> 00:48:12,009
it's hummus man in the world of things

1153
00:48:18,390 --> 00:48:16,150
we've seen him so many times and yes so

1154
00:48:23,069 --> 00:48:18,400
I'm getting him to write to call and

1155
00:48:25,140 --> 00:48:23,079
hopefully he might give a sapote oh here

1156
00:48:27,180 --> 00:48:25,150
we go now because I am asking a question

1157
00:48:28,469 --> 00:48:27,190
of all the people for the skeptic zone

1158
00:48:29,969 --> 00:48:28,479
this evening and the question we were

1159
00:48:31,739 --> 00:48:29,979
asking many of these skeptics are non

1160
00:48:35,099 --> 00:48:31,749
skeptics here tinnitus what do you think

1161
00:48:37,289 --> 00:48:35,109
of people with a chronic condition going

1162
00:48:39,329 --> 00:48:37,299
to seek alternative therapies against

1163
00:48:42,930 --> 00:48:39,339
the advice of the doctor who went to

1164
00:48:45,989 --> 00:48:42,940
university yes it's potentially quite

1165
00:48:48,269 --> 00:48:45,999
risky I mean but if they focus on the

1166
00:48:50,519 --> 00:48:48,279
alternative route rather than in the

1167
00:48:51,900 --> 00:48:50,529
doctor prescribe treatment I mean that

1168
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:51,910
they could shorten their lives quite

1169
00:48:55,259 --> 00:48:53,890
significantly but what if they're not

1170
00:48:57,170 --> 00:48:55,269
getting any joy out of what their

1171
00:49:00,809 --> 00:48:57,180
doctors giving them i mean for example

1172
00:49:03,390 --> 00:49:00,819
chemotherapies hell for most people yeah

1173
00:49:05,969 --> 00:49:03,400
well I've never never experienced it

1174
00:49:10,650 --> 00:49:05,979
personally but yes I I hear it's very

1175
00:49:12,150 --> 00:49:10,660
painful but it's some well I mean I hear

1176
00:49:15,900 --> 00:49:12,160
it's not prescribed or all that often

1177
00:49:17,459 --> 00:49:15,910
anymore I mean look at someone over here

1178
00:49:19,289 --> 00:49:17,469
as well as got an opinion what's your

1179
00:49:22,109 --> 00:49:19,299
name Sam what do you think of this my

1180
00:49:24,599 --> 00:49:22,119
name is Gary and clearly the question is

1181
00:49:27,809 --> 00:49:24,609
not so much whether one should ignore

1182
00:49:30,420 --> 00:49:27,819
the advice of a doctor but the question

1183
00:49:33,539 --> 00:49:30,430
should be which doctors advice would you

1184
00:49:36,539 --> 00:49:33,549
ignore for example if the doctor in

1185
00:49:38,969 --> 00:49:36,549
question was dr. Kevorkian or dr.

1186
00:49:42,420 --> 00:49:38,979
Nitschke I suspect that you would be

1187
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:42,430
entirely within your right mind to

1188
00:49:47,279 --> 00:49:44,650
refuse his suggestions

1189
00:49:50,130 --> 00:49:47,289
alternative treatment and if it was

1190
00:49:51,690 --> 00:49:50,140
someone like take dr. Carl well you

1191
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:51,700
could probably see yourself on

1192
00:49:57,420 --> 00:49:54,930
television as I survived dr. Carl

1193
00:50:00,480 --> 00:49:57,430
alternative treatment and that would

1194
00:50:03,599 --> 00:50:00,490
make you a celebrity in some parts of

1195
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:03,609
Australia yes someone someone has a

1196
00:50:07,470 --> 00:50:05,170
chronic condition has ignored the advice

1197
00:50:09,059 --> 00:50:07,480
of the doctor and goncz into alternative

1198
00:50:10,740 --> 00:50:09,069
therapies you you've seen a bit of that

1199
00:50:14,420 --> 00:50:10,750
in your history as a skeptic Avenue oh

1200
00:50:16,710 --> 00:50:14,430
yes we see quite a bit of it and

1201
00:50:20,339 --> 00:50:16,720
particularly with the high-profile

1202
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:20,349
people like Jessica Jessica aims Co the

1203
00:50:27,799 --> 00:50:22,210
wellness warrior she's a very good

1204
00:50:30,569 --> 00:50:27,809
example of somebody who rejected all all

1205
00:50:32,579 --> 00:50:30,579
conventional treatment for her her

1206
00:50:35,279 --> 00:50:32,589
condition which was a slow growing

1207
00:50:39,569 --> 00:50:35,289
cancer i believe and she made a huge

1208
00:50:44,839 --> 00:50:39,579
industry of her alternative treatment

1209
00:50:48,630 --> 00:50:44,849
and i think i think that is just so

1210
00:50:51,299 --> 00:50:48,640
wrong it's ethically wrong it's morally

1211
00:50:53,940 --> 00:50:51,309
wrong I have a big problem with it okay

1212
00:50:59,339 --> 00:50:53,950
um and what ends up happening with her

1213
00:51:05,460 --> 00:50:59,349
oh dear very very sad well she died of

1214
00:51:08,510 --> 00:51:05,470
course and I think at the end she is she

1215
00:51:11,910 --> 00:51:08,520
wrote a blog post about how she was was

1216
00:51:14,279 --> 00:51:11,920
exploring conventional medical

1217
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:14,289
treatments and she she also said you

1218
00:51:19,950 --> 00:51:15,970
know she'd found a doctor who was

1219
00:51:22,019 --> 00:51:19,960
supportive and who was was helping her

1220
00:51:25,109 --> 00:51:22,029
in a way that that you know she really

1221
00:51:26,730 --> 00:51:25,119
appreciate it so but I mean the

1222
00:51:28,980 --> 00:51:26,740
arguments argument seems to be that if

1223
00:51:31,980 --> 00:51:28,990
people want to explore an alternative

1224
00:51:33,809 --> 00:51:31,990
therapy and it's their right to do so do

1225
00:51:36,809 --> 00:51:33,819
you completely agree with that or not

1226
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:36,819
that it that's absolutely true anybody

1227
00:51:44,430 --> 00:51:42,130
is if somebody wants to explore an

1228
00:51:46,019 --> 00:51:44,440
alternative therapy therapy or reject a

1229
00:51:47,999 --> 00:51:46,029
particular therapy or reject a

1230
00:51:49,650 --> 00:51:48,009
particular treatment my understanding is

1231
00:51:52,949 --> 00:51:49,660
that there it's there legally entitled

1232
00:51:55,589 --> 00:51:52,959
to do so so I don't have a problem with

1233
00:51:58,309 --> 00:51:55,599
the decision on the individual level I

1234
00:52:00,779 --> 00:51:58,319
suppose the problem I have is when

1235
00:52:04,890 --> 00:52:00,789
people who've made that decision on the

1236
00:52:07,559 --> 00:52:04,900
individual level then market that and

1237
00:52:10,559 --> 00:52:07,569
profit out of it and maybe harm other

1238
00:52:12,660 --> 00:52:10,569
people just been asking people what they

1239
00:52:15,479 --> 00:52:12,670
think of people who go and consult

1240
00:52:17,579 --> 00:52:15,489
alternative therapies against the advice

1241
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:17,589
of their doctor which you being adopted

1242
00:52:21,420 --> 00:52:20,170
dr. Brad may have happened to you or

1243
00:52:22,529 --> 00:52:21,430
you've heard about that well how do you

1244
00:52:24,269 --> 00:52:22,539
feel about that I mean obviously people

1245
00:52:25,709 --> 00:52:24,279
have a choice to do that but how does it

1246
00:52:27,539 --> 00:52:25,719
make you feel that someone who's trained

1247
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:27,549
to heal people and they go nuts I'm

1248
00:52:30,900 --> 00:52:29,170
adding none of that well usually they're

1249
00:52:32,729 --> 00:52:30,910
not seeking my advice so I don't see

1250
00:52:33,660 --> 00:52:32,739
them do they ever ask you and then I'm

1251
00:52:35,579 --> 00:52:33,670
going to go do this have you ever

1252
00:52:37,949 --> 00:52:35,589
managed to talk them out of it I often

1253
00:52:40,140 --> 00:52:37,959
see people after its failed so they've

1254
00:52:42,180 --> 00:52:40,150
already gone down one Avenue and they're

1255
00:52:44,819 --> 00:52:42,190
a little bit stuck they're not feeling

1256
00:52:48,329 --> 00:52:44,829
much better Wow and is it hard not to

1257
00:52:51,509 --> 00:52:48,339
say well you've been a silly Billy I I

1258
00:52:53,729 --> 00:52:51,519
hold my breath and yeah let the whole

1259
00:52:56,130 --> 00:52:53,739
role is to sort of treat them at that

1260
00:52:57,509 --> 00:52:56,140
time and make sure that you're doing the

1261
00:52:59,519 --> 00:52:57,519
best that you can sometimes

1262
00:53:01,559 --> 00:52:59,529
unfortunately it's too late that's a

1263
00:53:02,999 --> 00:53:01,569
problem so is it a new one we should

1264
00:53:04,620 --> 00:53:03,009
look out for anything that's just come

1265
00:53:07,289 --> 00:53:04,630
up in the last couple of months that we

1266
00:53:09,150 --> 00:53:07,299
might not have be on our radar you well

1267
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:09,160
everyone's through that much tea at the

1268
00:53:14,699 --> 00:53:12,249
moment like ground down green tea I'm

1269
00:53:16,650 --> 00:53:14,709
sure that's the next what's a delicacy

1270
00:53:18,329 --> 00:53:16,660
is it the caffeine in its supposed to do

1271
00:53:20,430 --> 00:53:18,339
something I think everyone in the

1272
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:20,440
oxidized that the brilliance of green

1273
00:53:24,779 --> 00:53:22,690
tea including antioxidants and the

1274
00:53:26,380 --> 00:53:24,789
healing abilities and you want to hurt

1275
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:26,390
energy healing

1276
00:53:29,740 --> 00:53:27,650
brilliant that's a good one I've never

1277
00:53:33,130 --> 00:53:29,750
heard that before try to think of any

1278
00:53:35,349 --> 00:53:33,140
other ones that are around yeah nothing

1279
00:53:38,470 --> 00:53:35,359
nothing too much on the radar just sort

1280
00:53:41,289 --> 00:53:38,480
of yeah and because what do you think of

1281
00:53:43,779 --> 00:53:41,299
Tim Ferguson tonight there I'm a big fan

1282
00:53:45,910 --> 00:53:43,789
of Tim Ferguson followed him for many

1283
00:53:47,140 --> 00:53:45,920
years usually with binoculars and of

1284
00:53:48,579 --> 00:53:47,150
course he has advised that if you've got

1285
00:53:50,349 --> 00:53:48,589
a trouble with someone who's not

1286
00:53:51,849 --> 00:53:50,359
listening to fact you should ridicule

1287
00:53:53,650 --> 00:53:51,859
them I think that can be a dangerous

1288
00:53:55,240 --> 00:53:53,660
path if you're not a professional like

1289
00:53:57,069 --> 00:53:55,250
him but how do you feel about that kind

1290
00:54:00,490 --> 00:53:57,079
of advice it doesn't work very well on

1291
00:54:02,410 --> 00:54:00,500
the clinic oh yes like you're like a sim

1292
00:54:03,819 --> 00:54:02,420
Pierre you can't do that so much no I

1293
00:54:06,250 --> 00:54:03,829
think I have to have more of a

1294
00:54:07,750 --> 00:54:06,260
professional attitude especially in the

1295
00:54:09,339 --> 00:54:07,760
clinic environment well thanks doctor

1296
00:54:11,339 --> 00:54:09,349
when we can we catch you online or

1297
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:11,349
interact with you at the moment Oh

1298
00:54:16,690 --> 00:54:14,930
everywhere just look and when you least

1299
00:54:22,630 --> 00:54:16,700
expect and dr. battle be popping out of

1300
00:54:25,720 --> 00:54:22,640
your ensuite ABC Sydney on a Tuesday

1301
00:54:28,539 --> 00:54:25,730
nights with Chris bar on tue on a

1302
00:54:30,579 --> 00:54:28,549
Wednesday nights with David Pryor and

1303
00:54:31,839 --> 00:54:30,589
going to ask you right now is there a

1304
00:54:34,180 --> 00:54:31,849
big difference between what the

1305
00:54:35,769 --> 00:54:34,190
commercial audience asked about the ABC

1306
00:54:37,539 --> 00:54:35,779
because the ABC people will be asking

1307
00:54:39,700 --> 00:54:37,549
you advice for the two you eat people

1308
00:54:42,460 --> 00:54:39,710
might be ringing it let me tell you mr.

1309
00:54:45,549 --> 00:54:42,470
doctor usually the ABC is a little bit

1310
00:54:48,069 --> 00:54:45,559
more hard-hitting they have very very

1311
00:54:49,990 --> 00:54:48,079
tough journalists but I'm the magazine

1312
00:54:52,569 --> 00:54:50,000
they expect you to have some more facts

1313
00:54:55,059 --> 00:54:52,579
with you yes exactly where as with the

1314
00:54:56,259 --> 00:54:55,069
other commercial networks it's and thank

1315
00:54:58,839 --> 00:54:56,269
you for that we're going to a commercial

1316
00:55:12,920 --> 00:54:58,849
break and then with that thank you dr.

1317
00:55:21,150 --> 00:55:18,800
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European Parliament will it go ahead in

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other venues we shall see coming up on

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the next show we hope to have a report a

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field report from a Sydney ghost to her

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hmm haven't been on one of those for a

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long time the last one I did was with

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Maynard in fact in our friend Alethea

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dean that was a lot of fun it was a lot

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of fun we had Wiggy boards and running

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around they had what spirit boxes and

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all sorts of things look you know what

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I'll put a little link in this week's

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episode and the show notes to the

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previous episode where we did it go

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store because it was so much fun so look

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out for that hopefully coming up on the

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next show and apart from that well you

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know we can't look into the future

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widget that's something i should do i

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should go out and see if i can find

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myself a copy of the international

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psychics directory which has put out

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every year in our december january where

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they have their predictions for the

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coming year and longtime skeptic zone

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listeners will well know the story

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behind that because I at some stage

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during the year I'll read out all the

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predictions and for example their

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predictions for the year 2016 i think i

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think we judged there was one or two

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which was semi right in other words they

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got close to one hundred percent failure

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rate what a show up anyway i'll keep an

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eye out for that i'll keep an eye out

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for ghosts I'll keep an eye out for

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those wonderful people who contribute to

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the skeptics owned by patreon or paypal

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every week at skeptics own TV TV without

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endless gratitude and I'll keep an eye

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out for the people who also support our

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reporter Maynard at Maynard com au who

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works very hard to produce great content

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for you over at his website in his

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podcasts but until then and we wonder

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what this next week will

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bring us out of Washington this is

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Richard Saunders signing off from Sydney

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Australia you've been listening to the

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